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This good news started since 2001 which supposed bring many states' economy recovery includes Washington State. We thought when President signs this, this lease will be able to manage the major impact of the resources what they need. Also The Boeing Company already has lost enough like the tanker program came to $275 million, the amount of money the company has spent on its Air Force bid. Until a month ago, decision made possible Global KC 767, and Now, according to seattlepi.com, dated December 9, 2005, the analysts have said that given the more demanding requirements, Boeing is likely to offer its larger and more expensive 777 aircraft to the Air Force instead of the older and smaller 767. It is seems like not going anywhere what the citizens have been watching and expected to signed by President Bush. Now trying to cutting the defense space budget does not make any sense at all.

767 Tanker should not shuttling down. According to media February 2006 King 5, and Seattle Pi, and many others are describing as Boeing on track to shut down 767 without tanker contract. 07:14 AM PST on Wednesday, February 15, 2006: Associated Press . CHICAGO - Despite a stream of recent orders for its 767 widebody jet, Boeing Co. still plans to end production of it without a new Pentagon contract for air-refueling tankers, Chief Financial Officer James Bell says. The 767s, which first started flying in 1981, are being replaced in Boeing's commercial lineup by the more fuel-efficient 787 once that jet starts operating in 2008. The company had hoped to build 100 767s for the Air Force as a tanker, but that controversial $23 billion deal was scuttled in 2004 after a military procurement scandal.

Well let 's look at the statistic measure on this: Nineteen in 2005, nine in 2004, eleven in 2003, eight in 2002. It is absolutely looking positive response towards the 767 Tanker which is very necessary to obtain tankers when there are so many commercial airplanes are around the world and when It is on a quarter of a century. It was replaced, however it is still selling and year 2005 was the best selling since 2001. (17) WHEN IT IS EMERGENCY OR FUEL IS OUT OF THE AIRPLANE WHAT WOULD YOU DO???? WELL BE READY WITH 767 TANKERS AND MAKE SURE ENOUGH TANKERS ARE READY FOR COMPARE TO HOW MANY COMMERCIAL OR MILITARY AIRPLANES ARE THERE THE RATIO SHOULD BE BALANCED IN THE SKY LIKE THE GAS STATIONS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR OUR CARS. The Boeing Company is the most experienced tanker build since 75 years ago and the world recognized and the customers are satisfied their latest technologies as the most standard around the world for the global tankers.

Let's think back Unforgettable Moment what Chinese President Hu Jintao says "Trade Further, Flying High Just Like Boeing Plane". I remember what he says during the special welcome ceremony at the Boeing Company "President Hu Jintao would like to have a higher living in civil aviation and continue to expend ….and he addressed that China is planning to purchase 600 civil aviation fleet in 5 years and in 15 years 2,000 plane and will be added 200 plane." that means China and the world needs so many refuel tankers something that can deliver fuel more then something that can deliver fuel and cargo. Since the cargo capacity doesn't seem to be a problem these days. As such, the KC-767 seems to be the perfect choice" that is what Airforce is looking for, too (24)

The Air Force in late April issued a request for information, which formally started the tanker competition. The Air Force could select the winner by mid- to late 2007, though that could slip into 2008. It promises to be one of the most closely watched U.S. military procurement battles ever. Although the world knows about the Boeing's 75 years of experience and the highest skills, manpower, infrastructures and technologies are there, the Boeing will face off with a team led by Northrop Grumman and the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Co., or EADS, which owns 80 percent of Airbus. And an international fight over subsidies will complicate matters. (26, 22, 23, 24, 25)

The Air Force is likely to initially order 100 tankers, it eventually needs to replace its aging fleet of some 500 KC-135s. (22)

Boeing and the GlobalTanker industry team have supplied more than 95% of the world's aerial refueling aircraft with more than 1,900 aerial refueling tankers having been delivered to the world's military air forces. Since the eventful year of 1923, when the first successful air refueling was conducted by the U.S. Army Air Corps over San Diego, California, aerial refueling has been part of military operations research and planning. Boeing is the center of excellence for tankers, proven commercial 767 airframe, fifth -generation fly-by-wire boom technology and the Boeing Company delivers the 21st century Global tanker today (18)

It does not make any sence to keep away from the Everett, Washington facilities which is already equipt, available the manufacturing and the latest high technologies, and infrastructures are ready for 767 tankers in Everett, Washington. According to the Seattle pi news stated that The Boeing Co. said it may produce Air Force tankers at its Long Beach, Calif., plant, enabling the No. 2 U.S. defense company to keep the factory open past 2008 when the last C-17 cargo plane is scheduled to roll off the assembly line there. (19)

Let's look back when the Boeing CEO,Jim McNerney visited Everett Factory back in July, 2005. Boeing CEO, Jim McNerney had a great tour with Mr. Mulally (former Boeing Vice President and CEO for Boeing Commercial), he had a great discussion with the reportor, Herald Writer and with the Boeing employees. This is a great statement for referring the Everett, Washington: "When the company launched its nationwide hunt for a place to assemble its latest airplane, "Everett, Snohomish county and Washington state did fully collaborate to satisfy the formal requirements, "Boyd said. That's because officials are "absolutely committed to making Boeing successful," said Deborah Knutson, president of the Snohomish county Economic Development Council. "We have a very strong interest in seeing Boeing transform. We want to see it happen here" Washington along over 65, 000 employees in Boeing.

Well Here is a great statement what Boeing CEO, Jim McNerney says that "I do know that the company's workers are fundamental," McNerney said. "We need to have a balanced discussion, and an outcome that is right for our customers and our industry. "

Keep key Personnel: That means Mulally. The high-profile Commercial Airplanes chief was a leading candidate for theCEO job that went to McNerney, and he was the sentimental favorite among the rank-and-file. Mr. Boeing CEO, Jim McNerney had a great visiting many people in Snohomish County, Washington. (27)

Of course shutting down 767 Tanker is not make any sence at all................... (19)

However, according to flightglobal.com, dated March 14, 2006, shows positive about the 767 tanker. 767: Tanker program that “It is possible we could make a decision [on closing the line] later this year,” says Boeing. A key factor in the future of the model continues to be the long-running saga of the tanker requirement for the US Air Force. The 767 is still potentially in the frame for the revived USAF contest, although it will not be known to what extent it remains a realistic contender until the details of the forthcoming USAF tanker requirement are revealed. In the meantime 767 deliveries are set to continue through 2008.

The US manufacturer says “nothing has changed” to alter its previous position that last year’s stay of execution continues to be extended as orders continue to come in. “We are still selling 767s and still building them,” says Boeing, which logged a new order for a 767-300ER over the last month, and now lists 30 aircraft in the firm backlog. (20) It is reminded Alan Mulally's interview with PI Aerospace Reporter, James Wallace at the Farnborough International Airshow Boeing is looking at replacing not only the 737, but also the 757, Mulally said. The single-aisle 757, no longer in production, carries more than 200 passengers. "We have many opportunities," Mulally said. Boeing is studying a family of planes that could seat from 90 to 230 passengers, he said. So looks like that it is no longer in production 757 Commercial Airplane which is not for the 767 Commercial Airplane. (21)

The Global Tanker Team convened recently in St. Louis, committing to deliver the most advanced aerial refueling capability for its global customers. Muellner had remark that "This is a skilled team with more than 75 years of experience in aerial-refueling technology, integrated systems, and aircraft manufacturing and modification," "The Boeing 767 advanced aerial refueling tanker, which was selected by two of our allies - Italy and Japan - is in production and flight-test today. In addition, Boeing has a complete family of aircraft to ensure requirements as defined by the U.S. Air Force can be met. (1)

Well, as much as we keep up with cutting edge, one of the analysts believe the price the main (but not only) consideration, the 777-200LR (MTOW 766,000 lbs) is the best choice. The price is reasonable and its' selection would greatly reduce the number of tankers in the inventory. At the same time, it undoubtedly supplies a better cargo platform than the 767, as it is larger in every respect. See the following table for more detailed information. KC 777-200 would be a decent supplement to the KC-10 fleet, the large tanker fleet is much too small to consider replacing any of the KC-10s.

Another analyst believes the idea is to replace a well used asset with something more capable as well as less maintenance intensive. The KC-767 tanker meets those needs as well as our own political need to buy our own product. Overall, KC-767 have more pros than KC-777.

It would be nice just stick to what they planed and 75 years of experience should be able to show what they are looking for like "The Knowledge is Experience and Power"……also price is right. "The Air Force wants something that can deliver fuel more then something that can deliver fuel and cargo since cargo capacity doesn't seem to be a problem these days. As such, the KC-767 seems to be the perfect choice" see the below tables for more detailed information between KC-767 and KC-777.

KC 767
KC 777
767 Family: 2005 $ in Millions
767-200ER: 112.5 --124.0
767-300ER: 128.0 -- 141.5
767-300 Freighter: 136.5 -- 148.0
767-400ER: 139.5 -- 153.5
777 Family: 2005 $ in Millions
777-200 171.0 --189.0
777-200ER 179.5 -- 203.0
777-200LR 209.0 -- 232.0
777-300 198.5 -- 225.5
777-300ER 226.0 -- 253. 0

(prices in millions of US $)
767-200ER 101.0 - 112.0
767-300ER 115.5 - 127.5
767-300 Freighter 122.5 - 134.0
767-400ER 126.5 - 138.5

(prices in millions of US $)
777-200 153.5 - 171.0
777-200ER 162.0 - 182.0
777-200LR 188.0 - 213.5
777-300 178.5 - 203.5
777-300ER 203.5 - 231.5

BOEING 767 VARIANTS:

The 767-200ER : The 767 tanker is a high performance version of the 767-200ER twin aisle jetliner equipped for fully integrated tanker operations. 767-200ER is an extended range version announced in 1983 seating 181 to 224 passengers. The range is up to 12,325km. The aircraft first flew in 1984 with first delivery in 1984 to El Al airlines.

The Boeing 767-300ER, around 6.43m (21ft) longer than the 200ER, provides seating for 218 to 269 passengers and has a range up to 11,389km. First flight was in 1986 with first delivery in 1988 to American Airlines.

The 767-300 Freighter, launched in 1993 and first flight in 1994, has a freight volume capacity of 16,034m³ and a range of 5,560km. First delivery was in 1995 to United Parcel Service.

The 767-400ER, around 6.43m (21ft) longer than the 300ER, is the latest member of the 767 family and the first flight took place in October 1999. The stretched aircraft provides seating for 304 passengers in two-class cabin layout and 245 seats for passengers in a three-class layout. The 767-400ER entered service with Continental Airlines (total order 16) in September 2000 and with Delta Airlines (total order 21) in October 2000. The 767-400ER features aerodynamic improvements, including new raked wing tips, increased takeoff weight capability, a new main landing gear, and a new upgraded flight deck. The new, highly Tbackswept (raked) wing-tip extensions increase the 767's 156ft wingspan to 170ft 4in (52m). The 7ft 8in (2.4m) wing extensions are designed to increase the aerodynamic efficiency of the wing and thus improve the range.

FLIGHT DECK:The flight deck, which accommodates the pilot and co-pilot is similar to that of the 757. The aircraft's flight instrument system is the Honeywell EFIS-700.The navigation suite includes Honeywell VHF omnidirectional radio, an integrated instrument landing system, and a marker beacon receiver, an automatic direction finder, distance measuring system and a radio magnetic indicator RMI-743. There are dual digital flight management systems and triple redundant flight control computers. The aircraft carries CAT IIIb landing certification.

Rockwell Collins has developed a Large Format Display System, which has been fitted in the 767-400ER. The system incorporates six 203mm x 203 mm (8in x 8in) liquid crystal displays.

The 767 aircraft in service with All Nippon Airways, Britannia Airways and Transbrasil are fitted with the Honeywell RDR-4A colour weather radar.

ENGINES: The aircraft has two turbofan podded engines mounted below the leading edges of the wings. The available engines are General Electric CF6-80 (A 767-400 engine nacelle being fitted to A General Electric CF6-80C2B jet engine.)engines rated at 225kN to 276kN, Pratt and Whitney PW 4052, 4056, 4060 and 4062 rated at 233 to 282kN and the Rolls Royce RB211 rated at 251kN and 265kN.

The auxiliary power unit is installed in the tailcon.

LANDING GEAR.

The aircraft is equipped with hydraulically operated, retractable tricycle type landing gear. The forward retracting nose unit supplied by Menasco has twin wheels. The inward retracting main landing gear supplied by Cleveland Pneumatic is fitted with two four wheeled bogies. The wheels are supplied by Honeywell. The main landing gear has steel disc brakes and a hydraulically actuated tail skid.

Wing design: The Boeing 777 wing is the most aerodynamically efficient airfoil ever developed for subsonic commercial flight. With a long wing span of nearly 200 feet and a high aspect ratio (8.68), the design gives Boeing ample freedom to grow the plane. With an upper skin made of the new 7055 aluminum alloy from Alcoa, which resists fatigue and corrosion, the airfoil carries a lot more lift towards the trailing edge than in any other Boeing jetliner. The design enhances the airplane's ability to climb quickly and cruise at higher altitudes.

Propulsion systems: The three engine manufacturers--General Electric, Pratt & Whitney, and Rolls Royce--all developed new and more powerful turbofans for the 777. For the initial plane, these engines are rated in the 74,000 to 77,000-lb thrust class. For longer-range models, the same engines can provide 84,000 to 90,000 lbs of thrust and could be developed for even higher thrust ratings, depending on future payload and range requirements. Although these engines are 40% more powerful than those used on the smaller Boeing 767, they are just as quiet. Key factors in this performance are larger-diameter fans with wide-chord blade designs and bypass ratios ranging from 6-to-1 to as high as 9-to-1, compared to the typical 5-to-1 ratio for engines on previous wide-body jets.

Also notable: the Pratt & Whitney engines on the first 777s put in service were FAA-approved from the outset for 180-minute, extended-range, twin-engine operations (ETOPS). This gives pilots many alternate airport choices all along the way.

Flight deck and systems: Principal flight, navigation, and engine information appear on six large flat-panel display screens. Besides saving weight and space, the new displays consume less energy and do not require the heavy, complex air conditioning apparatus needed on current flight decks. In addition, three multipurpose control display units, installed in the flight deck's center aisle stand, interface with an integrated Airplane Information Management System (AIMS). This modular avionics concept--a first for commercial jetliners--provides all pertinent information concerning the overall condition of the airplane, its maintenance requirements, and key operating functions.

In addition, a patented two-way digital data bus permits airplane systems and their computers to communicate through a common wire path instead of through separate one-way wire connections. This saves weight and boosts reliability.

The flight crew transmits control and maneuvering commands through electrical wires, augmented by computers, directly to hydraulic actuators for the elevators, rudder, ailerons, and other control surfaces. Such fly-by-wire systems reduce weight, simplify factory assembly, and ease maintenance.

New materials: Composites make up about 10% of the structural weight of the 777, far more than on any previous Boeing jetliner. You'll find composites--primarily carbon-fiber reinforced plastics--in the 777's floor beams, engine cowlings, flight control surfaces, landing gear doors, and wing-to-body fairings, and empennage.

Passenger space:One of the most spacious passenger cabins ever developed, the 777 interior offers great flexibility, allowing airlines to make easy changes to seating, galley, and lavatory configurations. Passenger service units and overhead stowage compartments can be quickly removed without disturbing ceiling panels, air conditioning ducts, or support structure. A typical 777 configuration change, such as converting from three-class to two-class service, takes as little as 72 hours, compared to two or three weeks on existing aircraft.

For the passenger's comfort, overhead compartments not only offer greater storage capacity but fit neatly into the streamlined contours of the interior structure, allowing for more head room. Depending on the airline, some 777s will be equipped with personal entertainment systems, featuring compact viewing screens and hand-held controllers for movies, video games, and flight information.

The Industrial Designer's Society of America gave the 777's passenger cabin its Design Excellence Award, the first time an airplane interior has won such honors.

The 777 family. Though Boeing delivered its first 777s in 1995, it already is planning future versions of the plane that will expand both passenger and range capacity. From the initial model, which carries from 305 to 375 passengers, the big twin will get stretched to accommodate as many as 550 people in a single-class, high-density configuration. Future versions, such as a 777-100x, would bring non-stop service to destinations as far away as 8,000 nautical miles. .

The 757 and 767. Introduced in the early 1980s, both are powered by very fuel-efficient twin engines. With a single-aisle configuration, the 757 typically carries 186 passengers in two classes up to 3,900 nautical miles. A new 757-300X model now under consideration would hold 20% more passengers and travel 600 nmi farther. Similarly, the larger, twin-aisle 767 could be slated for changes. Now carrying 220 to 300 passengers and with a range of up to 6,000 nmi, the plane would boost passenger and cargo capacity by 20% in a 767-400X model under study.

Click to see the Reference: Design News: For the Love of Flying By Lawrence D. Maloney Editorial Director Design News March 4, 1996

(prices in millions of US $)
767-200ER 101.0 - 112.0
767-300ER 115.5 - 127.5
767-300 Freighter 122.5 - 134.0
767-400ER 126.5 - 138.5

(prices in millions of US $)
777-200 153.5 - 171.0
777-200ER 162.0 - 182.0
777-200LR 188.0 - 213.5
777-300 178.5 - 203.5
777-300ER 203.5 - 231.5

KC-767 Offers more oeprational flexibility. KC-777 would be better suited for long-range strategic missions in which more cargo needs to be delivered.
KC 767 can lift off with more than 200,000 pounds (90,000 kg) of fuel and offload more than 130,000 pounds (60,000 kg) in a similar mission. KC-767. KC-777 able to carry more than 350,000 Pounds (160,000 kilograms) of fuel and offload more than 220,000 pounds (100,000 kg) of it on a mission of 500 nautical miles (900 kilometers).
Its not a commercial 767, its a Air Force spec model. Lots of new stuff like integrated modular systems, wing and controls enhancements, etc make it different. They are military spec airplanes in the truest sense of the word.  
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1. Even if the 764 is the 7-6 candidate, it's still a minimum of $15 million cheaper than the 777-200 2.

2. The prices could change dramatically when in military form) If the USAF were to buy 200 airframes, that's at least $3 billion less dollars.

3. More 767's than 777's.

 

1. There always was the option for airlines, but no one was interested in it.

2. the folding wings would decrease the ramp "footprint" of the aircraft

3. If the USAF were to buy 200 airframes, that's at least $3 billion more dollars.

4. They could get by with fewer 777's than 767's.

Reducing the massive number of tankers (currently 500+ KC-135 counting AF, ANG, and AFRes) is great, but taking it to the extreme of a small number of 777's may be a bit overboard.

Maximum Takeoff Weight (MTOW)

KC-135 Maximum Takeoff Weight(MTOW): 322,500 Lbs KC-767 MTOW:

450,000Lbs, MD-11 MTOW:630,000, KC-10 MTOW: 590,000.

B-777 MTOW: 660,000.

777-200LR (MTOW 766,000 lbs)

 
RaginMav RaginMav - the KC-767 will be based on the 76 A/R and haul stuff. RaginMav has a great point but need to have two 767 tankers to take a flight of F-15's across the Pacific. 1 MD-11 / 777/ can do haul all of their support equipment  
  History has already proven the cost effectiveness of a tanker/cargo hybrid with massive capacity (KC-10).  

1. 777 with the folding wing.

2. More capacity than the 767

 
  19 pallets of cargo vs The A-330 in UK Airtanker config will give: 8 pallets   Cargo operators will be able to easily transfer 10-foot-high pallets between the two models via the large main deck cargo door.  
Capacity

The 767 already has a cargo door available for both the -200 and -300.

As an added bonus, the military is already equipped with a 767-200 medevac interior kit, where the KC-767 can pick up the slack for the loss of C-141 and C-9 medevac.

 

KC 777-200 would be a decent supplement to the KC-10 fleet,

The large tanker fleet is much too small to consider replacing any of the KC-10s.

You end up with much more unused (wasteful) capacity in an MD-11/777/A330 tanker.

  The KC-767 would also have a degree of commonality with the E-10 (764) fleet, the purchase of the first of which has already been approved.   Comparing the A330-300 to the 777-200, when the objective is offloading the most fuel instead of replacing a midsized tanker, he 777 is clearly the most capable.  
  The 767 is intended as a 1:1 replacement, offering a similar footprint, increased offload, cargo, and personnel transport.    
Cost analysis To meet the numbers:
KC-767-200's would need 444:
costing $40 - $50 billion

(assuming current civil version prices from boeing.com)

KC-767-300's would need 427: costing $49 - $54 billion

KC-767-400 would need 391 : costing $50 - $54 billion
175,762,500 lbs - the MTOW of the KC-135 fleet 777-200LR (MTOW 766,000 lbs)

To meet numbers : KC-777-200's, would need 323 of them: costing $50 - $55 billion

KC-777-200ER's would need 268 of them: costing $44 - $49 billion

KC-777-200LR's we would need 230: costing $43 - $49 billion

KC-777-300's we would need 266 of them: costing $47 - $53 billion

  The point KEESJE more capable that their predecessors, and the    
 

KC-767 will be (it is already ordered for Italy and Japan) superior to the KC-135.

The Pentagon might well have considered nuclear survivability to be important for tanker aircraft, more so than transports like the C-17 as they will be operating in the front line.

   
  The 767 looks to be a better bet just from the standpoint of being less computer-dependent. Less to go wrong, certainly in the electronics bays. Just think of the damage that could be done by a crippled tanker becoming completely uncontrollable due to fried FBW systems.    
  A KC-767 would still retain some mechanical control of flight surfaces by the pilot.    
  The 767 looks to be a better bet just from the standpoint of being less computer-dependent The airelons and flaps are electronically controlled    
  The electronic systems on the 767 as a whole are much less complex than those on an A330. What is already on the 767 won't present too much of a job to harden and convert to military specifications.    
  Besides that, the FBW models are all already hardened against intense electromagnetic interference. It should only be a matter of cost to further improve the already existing shielding.    
  The jigs and tooling are available for nearly exclusive USAF production in the next couple of years. There are no surprises with the air frame (since they were already discovered by the same employees that are going to build the KC-767), and there are plenty of spare parts available in the desert, since many of the older model 767 are being retired.    
  KC-767 is that the 767 is still in production.    
  The KC-767 has more room to expand within the air frame than the 757 would.    
  The KC-767 will still take up a lot less ramp space than a KC-777, even with the wings folded. Remember a B-777-200 is almost twice as long as a B-767-200.      
Boeing KC 767 Widebody Tanker & Transport
The KC-767 will be the world's newest and most advanced tanker
Models: KC 767 –200C/F, 300C/F and –400C/F models  

 

Costs for used 767-300ER aircraft vary between $51M and $88M

In terms of speed its Mach 0.8 performance compares to the Mach 0.85 or better performance of the KC-135 aircraft.

 

Aerial refueling and airlift , Global within flight refueling capability. Offload 20 percent more gas than the KC-135E and unlike the E-model, can itself be refueled in flight.  
Have the capability to refuel Air Force, Navy, Marine and allied aircraft on every mission. At maximum takeoff weight, the KC-767A requires 4,000 feet less runway than the KC-135E.
Besides its role as a tanker, the KC-767A will be configured as a convertible freighter and can carry 200 passengers or 19 pallets of cargo.
Equipped with both the proven Boeing-developed boom-and-receptacle and the hose-and-drogue aerial refueling systems, the 767 Tanker/Transport offers maximum operational flexibility along with full European Union and NATO interpretability.
  The aircraft's uninterrupted cabin floor can be configured for: Passenger; Freighter; Convertible (passenger or freighter); and Combi (passenger and freighter).  
  The 767 Tanker/Transport is a low-risk solution that brings to bear the unique capabilities of the world leaders in tanker design and integration: The Boeing Company and Alenia Aerospazio/Aeronavali, which together have almost 2,000 new-production tankers and tanker modifications to their credit and it is fully integrated tanker system.  
  Modern flight control systems with enhanced feel characteristics. All primary control surfaces are triple hydraulically-powered with emergency backups. .  
  Autopilot flight director functions in all phases of flight (takeoff, climb, cruise, descent, and landing). Autothrottle capability through full flight regime. The flight control augmentation system includes yaw damper and stabilizer trim functions. The yaw damper includes turn coordination. The stabilizer trim system provides advanced speed & trim control throughout the flight envelope.  
  2 pilot seats, 2 observer seats (Boom operator seats at remote refueling operator station) .  

"Boeing 's Global Tanker Team takes advantage of 75 years of tanker platform experience to reduce the developmental risk for all our customers," Muellner emphasized that "This includes proven expertise in network centric operations and integrated avionics solutions, lean manufacturing concepts, and advanced aerial refueling systems. With this experience and our new tanker aircraft flying right now, Boeing can deliver a proven aerial refueling aircraft years before the competition. Operations analysis of publicly available information shows the state-of-the-art KC-767 outperforms the competition in operating costs, fuel burn, ramp-capacity optimization, and runway-length optimization. These advantages add up to more refueling aircraft based in-theater and greater flexibility for the warfighter and planner alike." (1)

The U.S. Air Force has critical needs we cannot afford to ignore. The Air Force has made clear we cannot risk systemic failures by not moving ahead with new Boeing tankers." (3)

Besides the around the states and the world the, Boeing suppliers, This deal should affect the Washington, Kansas, California, Texas, Michigan, Florida, and Arizona state.

Because the Boeing USAF KC-767 will be designed, manufactured, modified and finished in the United States, the program could support significantly more U.S. aerospace jobs than any other competitor. Boeing tanker programs have more than 1,000 direct and indirect (suppliers to direct suppliers) supplier locations in more than 40 states

A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is one of the world's largest space and defense businesses.

The Boeing Co.'s chief financial officer, James Bell, had remark to investors at a Morgan Stanley conference in Phoenix, in September 14, Wednesday, 2005 that "We are not concerned about competition," "In fact, we are the competition. We're not worried about EADS and Northrop."

KC-767 excels. Able to refuel both boom and drogue capable receivers on the same mission, the -767 will provide enhanced interoperability and flexibility to the battlespace. With the ability to itself be air refueled, it could remain on-station as a tanker almost indefinitely. KC-767 can deliver 19 pallets at a range of over 5,000 nautical miles. It would take three KC-135s to deliver this many pallets, and one pallet would be left behind on the ramp.

There is no doubt about that "Boeing is The most Advanced in aerial-refueling technology, integrated systems, and aircraft manufacturing and modification, and it is more than 75 years of experience". As what people say "the experience count and The Boeing Company continues to applying the latest high-tech for the 767 Tanker and it is the best solution".

President George W. Bush delivered a statement Thursday, Sept. 22, 2005, on the War on Terror during a visit to the Pentagon. Said the President, " The only way the terrorists can win is if we lose our nerve and abandon the mission. For the security of the American people, that's not going to happen on my watch."

President appreciated being back at the Pentagon. He just finished a briefing with Secretary Rumsfeld and General Myers, and, of course, members of his national security team, along with Generals Abizaid and Casey and Ambassador Khalilzad from the Middle East, via videoconferencing. He had an update on the wide range of missions being carried out by our Armed Forces.(14)

Air Forces should not worry about the budget to do their performance to keep our country safe. The tax payers should provide what you need to keep safe this land and around the world. Since the terrorist attacks in September 11, 2001, media show the horror, sadness, and loss and graphically unimaginable photos can tell where we are now. Many of us even forgot about who the heroes are and who stood for our land keep safe and around the world peace and save the men and women.

These aircraft work alongside their smaller brother in every combat theater in the world. They transfer more fuel, and do it with fewer airframes. They need to have massive numbers of tankers is a thing of the past. The wars of today and the future are not going to involve fleets of B-52's needing gas to get to their nuclear target. A multi-role high capacity aircraft is what is needed for today's Air Mobility Command tanker fleet. Also need Active duty, 253; Air National Guard, 222; Air Force Reserve, 70 (total 545) (16).

Looks like KC 767 has more pros than KC-777. Of course, 777-200LR (MTOW 766,000 lbs) and big enough and the large tanker fleet . The point KEESJE more capable that their predecessors, and the KC-767 will be (it is already ordered for Italy and Japan) superior to the KC-135. I am sure Japan and Italy had carefully reviewed what they need and measured high tech capability and they know what is the most benefit for the future and their country, very smart Japan and intelligent Itally have chosen the most cutting edge KC767 Tanker and 75 years of experieced.........which I agree with them. I think in a long run you will appreciate the KC 767 Tanker deal Hope the pantagon and the congress approve enough budget to keep our country safe and we sure do need massive numbers of tankersfor KC 767 and 222 C-17 to keep away terroist, safe environmental issue, homeland security and keeping peace around the world, too. Thank you for all your hard work and keeping secure land. I solute to all of you, and Thank You!

Reported By: Catch4all.com, Positive Site: Sandra Englund, September 15, Rev.
December 11, 2005.
Rev. October 21st, 2006, Revised November 11,2006.

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